December 9: The Padres have officially announced the deal. Chris Cotillo of MassLive provides the full contract breakdown. Bogaerts will make a $5MM signing bonus followed by 11 straight seasons with a $25MM salary.
December 8: The Padres closed out the Winter Meetings with a stunner, reportedly agreeing to an 11-year, $280MM contract with Xander Bogaerts. The deal does not contain any options or opt-out provisions, although it does include a full no-trade clause. Bogaerts is represented by the Boras Corporation.
Bogaerts had spent his whole career in Boston, originally joining the organization as an amateur signee from Aruba back in 2009. He quickly developed into one of the sport’s top prospects and was in the majors by August 2013, a few months before his 21st birthday. Bogaerts claimed two Silver Slugger awards within his first four MLB seasons, but his .283/.339/.409 career slash line through 2017 was roughly league average. He took a major step forward in 2018, reaching another level in his age-25 campaign.
He hit .288/.360/.522 with 23 home runs over 136 games that season, helping lead Boston to 108 wins and a World Series title. Bogaerts sustained that new level of excellence, as he’s been a well above-average offensive performer in each of the four years since then. Going back to the start of the 2018 campaign, the righty-hitting infielder owns a .300/.373/.507 line that checks in 34 percentage points above league average by measure of wRC+.
On the heels of that breakout season, the Red Sox inked Bogaerts to a long-term deal. Boston guaranteed him $120MM between 2020-25, allowing him to opt out with half that money remaining after 2022. Bogaerts played well enough to earn MVP votes in each of the four seasons since signing that extension, making it a no-brainer he’d take his opt-out opportunity unless he and the Red Sox could preemptively agree upon a new deal.
Extension talks this spring didn’t come close, as Boston reportedly offered to tack on one additional season at $30MM. Turning that down was an easy call for Bogaerts’ camp, and he solidified his opt-out decision with another excellent year. Through 631 plate appearances, he hit .307/.377/.456. Bogaerts’ 15 home runs marked his lowest full-season total since 2017, but he finished tenth in the majors (minimum 500 plate appearances) in on-base percentage.
A career-best .362 batting average on balls in play propped up those rate stats, and it’s unlikely he’ll manage to sustain quite so lofty a mark in future seasons. He owns a career .336 BABIP, though, so there’s plenty of room to remain a strong hitter even if his batting average comes down slightly. He’s walked at an average or better clip in each of the past five years, and he’s kept his strikeout rate remarkably consistent around 18% six seasons running.
Bogaerts makes contact, draws walks and typically threatens or tops 20 homers per season. He’s one of the more well-rounded offensive players in the game, and he’ll step right into an already loaded San Diego lineup. Bogaerts joins Manny Machado, Juan Soto and Fernando Tatis Jr. in the middle of a lineup that should be incredibly difficult for opposing pitchers to navigate. That quintet has 11 combined Silver Slugger awards, and they’ll bring an incredible collection of weapons from both sides of the dish.
Where to pencil everyone in on the diamond is a decision the front office and manager Bob Melvin will work out over the coming months. San Diego’s middle infield was already strong. Tatis, two years removed from inking a $341MM extension to serve as the franchise shortstop, will return from his performance-enhancing drug suspension within the first month of next season. Ha-Seong Kim is a Gold Glove caliber shortstop who had a solid .251/.325/.383 line in his second big league campaign. Jake Cronenworth is an above-average defender at second base and owns a .257/.339/.443 mark through his first three seasons.
At least for the moment, Bogaerts seems likely to step in at shortstop. Scott Boras categorically rejected the possibility of Bogaerts moving off the position earlier this offseason. Perhaps the strength of the Padres’ offer changed that thinking, but it’s also possible the Friars rearrange their infield to accommodate his wishes. San Diego had already been considering the idea of moving Tatis to the outfield after his lost season in deference to Kim. Pushing Tatis into left or center field now seems especially likely. Bogaerts could step in at shortstop, with Kim moving to second base and Cronenworth taking over an uncertain first base position.
Bogaerts’ glove has been the subject of immense attention throughout the free agent process. The 6’2″, 218-pounder has a larger build than many shortstops, and he’s drawn some criticism for lacking prototypical range. Public defensive metrics roundly panned his glove throughout his career, with Defensive Runs Saved pegging him below par every year from 2014-21. Concerns about his long-term defensive outlook seemingly played into Boston’s low extension offer this past spring, but Bogaerts posted the strongest defensive metrics of his career in 2022.
In 1249 2/3 innings this past season, he rated as five runs above average by DRS and four runs better than par, according to Statcast. Concerns about his lateral quickness into his mid-30’s figure to persist, but his strong 2022 campaign at least reduced any urgency to move him off shortstop immediately.
The Padres clearly aren’t much concerned about Bogaerts’ long-term defensive fit. Owner Peter Seidler and president of baseball operations A.J. Preller have been hellbent on adding another star regardless of position. They reportedly made offers well north of $300MM for both Trea Turner and Aaron Judge, but both players declined and signed elsewhere. Those failed pursuits of Turner and Judge made the Padres a fascinating wild card this offseason, and while reports initially suggested they were unlikely to dip back into the shortstop market, they pivoted and made a run at Bogaerts.
An 11-year term will take him through his age-40 campaign. That matches the term Turner received from Philadelphia, but Bogaerts was generally expected to command a lesser deal in light of his long-term defensive concerns. Turner’s $300MM guarantee does beat the one received by Bogaerts, but the $20MM gap was closer than most had envisioned.
The deal shatters MLBTR’s pre-offseason prediction of $189MM over seven seasons. It’s the second-largest free agent deal in franchise history — trailing only Machado’s ten-year, $300MM pact. The $280MM guarantee is the seventh-largest for a free agent in MLB history, with Judge and Turner topping it thus far among this offseason’s free agents.
The cost for the Padres goes well beyond the terms of the offer itself. The specific financial breakdown hasn’t yet been reported, but the contract comes with a $25.45MM average annual value. That’s the relevant consideration for luxury tax purposes, and it sends the Padres well into tax territory. Roster Resource projects the Friars for a tax number around $254MM at present. That’s $21MM north of the $233MM base threshold, and $1MM above the second tier of penalization.
San Diego has paid the luxury tax in each of the last two seasons, and it looks all but certain they’ll do so again. They’re taxed at a 50% rate for every dollar spent between $233MM and $253MM, coming out to $10MM in fees. They’ll be charged 62% on any overages between $253MM and $273MM, and they’d face heightened penalties thereafter. As things currently stand, the Bogaerts deal sets them up for a tax bill around $10.6MM. Further additions or subtractions will alter that number, but it’s virtually certain they’ll be into competitive balance tax territory yet again.
It’s worth noting that at $27.27MM and $25.45MM respectively, both Turner and Bogaerts accepted lower average annual values than expected while also reaching an 11-year term that had only happened once before in free agency when Bryce Harper signed for 13 years. With infielders Corey Seager, Nolan Arenado, Francisco Lindor, and Anthony Rendon receiving AAVs ranging from $32.5-35MM dating back to 2019, it may be surprising that Turner and Bogaerts fell well below that range. It’s all about that CBT – the Phillies and Padres reduce their luxury tax hits and tax bills for taking on the players’ late-30s seasons, which project to have little value.
Bogaerts rejected a qualifying offer from the Red Sox, meaning the Padres will also have to surrender draft choices to add him. As a team that paid the luxury tax in 2022, they’re subject to the highest penalties. San Diego will be stripped of its second and fifth-highest selections in next year’s amateur draft, and they’ll forfeit $1MM in international signing bonus space.
While the Padres load up for another run at the powerhouse Dodgers in the NL West, the Red Sox will have to move on from a homegrown star who’s played a key role with the franchise for nearly a decade. It’s an abrupt about-face for the organization. While it had long looked as if Bogaerts would depart given the lack of progress on an extension in Spring Training, reports Wednesday morning suggested their talks with his camp were gaining momentum.
It seemed as if he might remain in Boston for the entirety of his prime, but the Padres’ offer wound up handily surpassing Boston’s. Pete Abraham and Alex Speier of the Boston Globe report the Red Sox had offered a six-year term worth around $160MM. That was more in line with general pre-offseason expectations and contained a slightly higher annual salary than the deal Boagerts received, but San Diego’s willingness to tack on an extra half-decade in guaranteed money made the gap enormous. Somehow, the $137.375MM the Red Sox spent on Masataka Yoshida and Kenley Jansen earlier Wednesday almost seems quaint in comparison to the Bogaerts contract.
The Red Sox will receive compensation for Bogaerts’ departure, but it’s at the lowest tier since Boston also paid the competitive balance tax in 2022. They’ll receive a pick after the fourth round in next year’s draft. That’s of small consolation, and the far greater concern is how the club will move forward. Boston signed Trevor Story to a $140MM guarantee last offseason, giving themselves some cover at shortstop. Should they prefer to keep Story at second base, they could check in with the two remaining top free agent shortstops, Carlos Correa and Dansby Swanson. Regardless, Boston is certainly not done after chief baseball office Chaim Bloom said Monday he hopes to add “seven, eight, nine” players to the team this offseason. Starting pitcher and the catcher position are two items remaining on the shopping list even if shortstop is handled in-house.
Correa and Swanson are sitting pretty with Turner and Bogaerts having exceeded expectations in terms of total dollars. While the Boras Corporation representing both Bogaerts and Correa could be viewed as a conflict of interest, the agency managed to get Bogaerts signed with a team that hadn’t been expected to sign a shortstop at the outset of the offseason.
It’s a deal of massive proportions, one that could drastically shake up both leagues. After a couple attempts came up empty, the Padres landed their desired superstar. The Red Sox’s optimism of a few hours ago was dashed by a determined organization that now spends like a big-market behemoth. Bogaerts lands one of the largest contracts in MLB history, setting the stage for a fascinating bidding war for the two star shortstops who remain unsigned.
Jon Heyman of the New York Post was first to report Bogaerts and the Padres had agreed to an 11-year, $280MM contract. Jon Morosi of MLB.com reported the deal did not come with any opt-out provisions and included a full no-trade clause.
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Wow.
W H O A
Are they including a Cost Of Living Adjustment in these contracts to offset for the possibility of ongoing inflation?
is that supposed to be a joke…?
It’s no joking matter, imo.
Say inflation stays around 18% for 10 years.
Owners will make out like bandits on these lengthy contracts without a COLA adjustment.
It’s good for Xander. He is out from under blooms inconsistent moves and lack of commitment to building a winner.
In SD he shouldn’t have the ops dept torpedoing morale, and, with things locked in should have a disrespect issue like in Beantown.
Xman will sure be missed. All of red sox nation wishes him well. SD – show him the love he deserves, you got a good one. Great clubhouse leader and mentor to some of your younger players. Gives it his all in everything he does.
Hope this move is everything he dreamed of.SD – you got an Xman for Xmas.
Oh god. That’s exactly what Royals fans said about Eric Hosmer 5 years ago!
If you want you can give him back 😉
It was too good of a deal not to take but it feels like a knife in the stomach. Chaim Bloom has managed to get rid up all our hometown talent and add it with new bad talent. Bogaerts, Benintendi, and Betts were the heart and soul of Boston and he threw it all away without caring. He just took 2 maybe 3(Devers) Hometown Hall of Famers and let them go without a fight. Bloom needs to be gone. Red Sox nation will NEVER heal. I’m going to go cry in a corner.
Wow, players do wanna play in California after all! They already have a star short stop. Trade coming?
Impossible
I bet San Diego is going to be sold to new owners.
Lol, based on what? That just sounds like trash talk coming from a guy who’s team got knocked out in the first round
As someone rooting for the Padres over the Dodgers & Giants, it is a fair question. The Padres have made veteran moves in the past to compete when necessary. Gossage & Garvey in ’84. Kevin Brown, Greg Vaughn, Ryan Klesko, bringing back Caminiti in the late 90s which resulted in their 1998 NL Pennant. But throwing around multiple contracts totaling a billion dollars for two players in two days is a bit suspicious. It feels very Jeffery Loria resigning Stanton and making lots of moves going into getting the All-Star Game in Miami. Meanwhile behind the scenes he was doing everything he could to unload the team at top-dollar so he didn’t have to pay those salaries. Look at Arte Moreno now. Spent all that money, isn’t a couple of years into Trout & Rendon’s deal and now is trying to sell, sell, sell. Huizenga did it in mid 90s with the Marlins. Soon as he got the WS trophy in 1997, unloaded everything.
Curveball1984;
Good post!
Time will tell.
For sure the owner is crazier than Preller. He has something going on.
Seidler isn’t any of those guys. He’s a baseball guy from the O’Malley family. He also made his money doing honest investing, and is still, making money. Baseball is his hobby, and also, the family business.
OldSaltUSNR;
Oh.
Padres signed one guy. It doesn’t matter how much they offered to guys they didn’t sign, only the one they did.
I guess when people get old, bidding in the new economy feels overwhelming.
I remember getting the 2 bits payment theory from an old lady after yard work all day as a kid.
They bid on twp top of the market guys in free agency. They lost one and they got one.
Hold up guys lets await on official sources not Heyman
Heyman was actually second to report it. Passan was first
Pretty sure Heyman was first but I wouldnt be surprised. hes usually always last
And when he tries to be first we get Arson Judge.
Jeff “Muckraker” Passan is just as bad as Heyman.
Wow
Padres are going all in. Be interested to see how the Dodgers respond and if they can keep Machado and soto.
Let’s be honest, the Dodgers will probably be a third place team for the foreseeable future.
LOL
LMAO
LMFAO!
Padres have been all in for years.
Dodgers are going to stay under the luxury tax and reset. They still are a very talented team.
Otani 2024:)
The Dodgers have most of their team leaving in free agency? Never been a fan of the Draft Dodgers
That momentum stopped in Boston.
Crazy the Padres keep adding shortstops.
Well that seals it. Simply no way Padres ownership isn’t raking in drug cartel cash.
Definitely Drug Cartel or Sex Traffic in TJ LOL
Your PPP dollars at work!
Holy moly
Preller is a mad man
Hi boss in a generous man
Bogaerts reportedly turned down a $375 Million offer from the Padres.
Wait… hold up.
Going by what they offered Judge and what they paid Bogaerts, the Padres got another $120 million to spend.
Judge is insane, has he been to San Diego? For 400 million he could live an amazing life
There’s a lot more prestige being remembered as a legend with the Yankees.
So for 360 million his life won’t be very good?
Anywhere in the world with $400 Mil, you, your kids , your grandkids, greatgrand kids, great-great grand……
Could still go after Senga.
May as well go 6 years at $20M for Corey Kluber. It’s about on par with this deal
This is a lot of money that is WAY too much money for X, great player but 11 freaking years?
No way that ages well imo
The years keep the AAV down. They don’t expect him to be playing well when he’s 41. I’m not shocked at the deal itself, I’m just shocked the Padres made it…they didn’t really need a SS.
SS are usually the most versatile athletes. Now the entire infield will be made of them
Hadn’t thought about that. Now every infield position and LF will be covered by a guy that started as a SS.
Hey, they were giving someone 11 years and $400MM. XB said yes after the other two said, no. XB said he’d take $280MM though……….according to Heyman.
End of an Era. Thanks for everything Xman, good luck in San Diego
Padres paying full price for those inflated Fenway stats. Betting on him play a strong ss for many years as well.
Whatever, not like he can’t hit in other ballparks too
Can’t hit 280 million worth.
They don’t expect 7 good years. The 11 years is just to lower the AAV. If he’s good for 5-6 years that surplus value makes it all worth it. Still a risk obviously.
He needs to be better than good to justify that contract though even for 5-6 years which could be asking a lot.
Petco is not cavernous in LF. 334 down the line and 357 in straightaway LF.
RF is 322 to the corner, that little bump out, and 382 to straightaway RF.
SANTA MARIA
Wow! Interesting to see how the infield lines up now.
It seems like the Padres are spending money just to spend money. What the hell do they do with Fernando Tatis, Jr.?
Maybe they move Tatis to the outfield this year, and they can slide either Tatis or Bogaerts to third if Machado opts out?
Tatis plays well in the outfield, he isn’t very good at short
To be fair the only thing Tatis seems to be really good at is self-inflicted injuries and punishment
Bingo
This is a confusingly huge deal.
Google inflatiron and then ask your mom how much her bills have gone up.
LFGSD
Padres going to have all short stops on the field pretty soon
Someone was going to take the Padres money. They’ve been throwing it around like it’s scalding hot. Seems a bit desperate. Not sure where Bogaerts will play and who they will trade.
Desperate is what cheap teams say.
“Desperate is what cheap teams say” is what people with no rizz say.
LOLZ I found out what rizz means and I’m not sure what my ability to bang chicks has to do w baseball. But contrary to belief I put the Rizz in your mouth
Just out of curiosity do you still think that trading Stammen at the 2017 trade deadline would have prevented the Padres from bringing him back after 2017? Or would have negatively affected what teams were willing to offer Preller for his future trade chips?
Not that I’m doubting this, but are we really trusting Heyman? Come on.
Considering he wasn’t even first, yes.
This is a zesty pickup for the Padres.
Do you think they expect Manny to opt out after next year?
Nah they’ll pay him 40 mil a year next ha
This, girl is on fireeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Good chance. This contract only makes him want to more.
I mean looking at what these other dudes are getting, most of whom are about the same age as Manny, opting out seems like a no brainer if he is healthy and productive in 2023.
They are all getting less than Manny’s $30mil per.. soooo? 5/150 opt in still > AAV than Turner..Arenado and Xander .. not an easy opt out.. and if he wants more years I am sure his best Peter Siedler will add the 3 or 4 yrs necessary to keep him in San Diego
Machado already demonstrated a preference for term/total guarantee over AAV the first time he was a free agent and he has more to gain from a longer term contract at 31 than he did at 26.
Had a feeling that he’d wind up there. Always felt that he was very underrated. Boston fans are going to miss him and I think Padres fans will be very pleased with their new guy. That infield is going to be scary good.
Another miss for the Red Sox. What a shame
It sucks, but that is an incredibly dumb contract for Xander. Like, completely irrational. I don’t like that he’s gone, but knowing that THAT’S what he left for, I really can’t get angry about it
It’s an overpay no doubt, but the Red Sox had time to work out a new deal with Xander while he was still with them. It’s a failure on the Red Sox part for allowing him to hit the open market
Ronk325;
Please…..
Scott Boras wasn’t going to allow an upper tier client to work out a contract before he hit free agency and had competing bids.
Ronk – you’re right and Samuel is wrong.
He forgets that Bogey overrode boras on the last contract, told him what he wanted, and what to do. The only concession Bogey made to boras was to let him negotiate in the opt out.
I wonder if bloom hadn’t come to town if he would’ve used it? At the time Bogey didn’t even want the opt out, just went for the ride.
Man has bloom screwed up this team.
They dodged a bullet on this one.
A part of me wants to be mad about this but I can’t. 11 years is insane. I don’t blame Xander for taking and it and I sure as hell don’t blame sox for not offering it.
BREAKING: Money doesn’t matter in San Diego
Only thing breaking is the bank, and maybe the Red Sox hearts
SD is alright by me: we lived in Oceanside for a couple years when I was a kid. Great memories at Seaus restaurant on football Sundays. Kevin Brown, Hoffman in the series. Those were great teams with Boch
Breaking… SD got a new credit line from Vito “fingers” Guido. Got a sweetheart deal at 30% interest.
Nor does consistent winning, apparently
Padres have made it to the NLDS or beyond 2 of the last 3 seasons. How many times have the Mets made it?
Wow! What success!!!! I mean they played a few extra games a few times ever in franchise history. What a joke you are. Success is winning routinely. They are light years behind the Dodgers. Finished nearly 20 games back last year. Is that success to you? You are pathetic if that is your used of successful. A few wild card games and a couple dismissals in round two. You must be the next Steven Jobs with that vision. I’m bored with you. Check the other comments. Seems I’m the one in the majority. Don’t get upset when you read this after school today.
The Padres did beat the Dodgers in the playoffs? I wasn’t imagining that was I? Right after they beat the Mets I believe.
Since it seems that you are a Mets fan I have a question. Do the Mets win in the playoffs routinely?
Because I only see the one loss in the WC to the Padres last season while the Padres were making it to the NLDS in 2020 and NLCS in 2022. Which means the Padres actually had to win some games in the playoffs unlike the Mets.
Wtf are the Padres doing? Feels like they are lacking strategy. Will spend big money on practically anyone.
Tatis going to the outfield?
Red Sox fans here…I’ve been saying money is not the issue he wanted years instead. The sox were ready to pony up the money but on a 4 or 5 yr deal. Best of luck as a Padre & thank you for your service.
They better move Devers before the same thing happens.
Should’ve moved Devers 2 offseasons ago. Bloom had no intention of fielding a competitive team, and two years of control that would’ve brought a massive haul of elite mlb ready prospects was wasted
The Friars got that Vatican money
“Batting second and playing Center Field for your San Diego Padres….. Carlos Correa!”
Sweet haircut and tan, Craven. I barely recognized ya
L O L
Padres the Yankees of the west coast!
I now have the feeling the Sox are going to land Correa
Probably not. The SS market is nuts and he’s now going to want similar money.
Nope, Giants or Cubs. The real winner with this ridiculous Bogarts contract is gonna be Swanson.
Correa to the Giants and Swanson to the Cubs.
Both Correa and Swanson to Pads, DH and 1b primarily, but first they need to pick up Senga and Rodon
I guess if you have that many positions tied up long term you don’t have to worry about draft picks for a while.
Please God no.
I get it. You know Bloom is completely illogical and you are banking on that with your comment.
With Mayer a year or three away Bloom needs him to showcase how great his drafting is. I don’t see anything but a temp SS in Story..
Also, Bloom would rather get six below average guys for the money he would spend on Correa!!
Pulled – Correa is a bad move for many reasons, and, Swanson will take a massive overpay if he desperately turns there.
No, I see some weird patchwork coming. Ideally you put someone like Iggy there and preserve story’s injury prone form and arm from having to be a SS. At least at 2B he was a decent fit last season. You don’t want ANOTHER 2b hole, and, we don’t want to watch more bloom reclamation stink up the joint.
Huge overpay. Especially considering they already have a really good shortstop at a good price, who’s keeping out another really good shortstop by the name of Tatis. There’s lots of ways to spend $280mil, and this is one of the worst ones.
I have a feeling a trade is coming. I mean I dig spending the cash for the flash but come on…this is getting wild. Who would take Tatis, if he is the one traded?
@Hired. Angels
I heard that at the trade deadline. But would new owners really want to empty the cupboard for Tatis?
Everyone
Fernando has full no-trade protection up through 2028. After that he can block 13 teams annually. If he doesn’t want to leave SD he’s not getting traded.
Thanks, who are you?
My assumption is that the Padres are going for the Dodgers model where you need lots of depth and positional flexibility. Cronenworth, Tatis, and Kim getting moved around, at the very least they have competent depth in case one is injured.
Eguy Rosario probably gets blocked super hard by this.
This is not the Dodgers model. Dodgers use their farm system to build a core and use their farm to trade for a position of need. When they can’t trade for a position of need they use short term term big contracts.
Or in few cases pay for high character guys that you can build on (Mookie & Freeman).
You missed the point. It doesn’t matter how you get to that level of positional flexibility, just that you get there.
Last season, of the top 13 in PA, only Lux, Bellinger and Smith were home grown among position players for the Dodgers. Freeman, both Turners, Muncy, Betts, Taylor, Barnes, Alberto, and Gallo all came from outside the organization.
The Dodgers don’t give 11 year deals.
That’s weird. Betts has a twelve year contract.
12 is not 11. So I’m technically right. Haha.
Point is, the Dodgers, like the Mets, tend to give short-term deals outside of their big piece (Betts, Lindor). The Padres are giving big deals to everyone, and already have a lot of money on the books for the next 4-5 years.
They aren’t even over the luxury tax yet.
As a general rule you are correct. It’s why Mookie Betts is in RF for the Dodgers and not Bryce Harper
Bill James talked decades ago about building with guys up the middle who can move to the corners instead of corner guys who simply play themselves off the diamond completely as their skills deteriorate.
This is where the Yankees have been such complete failures under Cashman and why they can’t win until he leaves.
emac22;
Bill James talked about that decades ago? Wow!
Branch Rickey believed in that over a century ago.
I don’t care for the Yankees or Mr. Cashman; but if your haven’t noticed that’s exactly what he’s been doing since he finally fired Rothschild and brought in an up-to-date pitching coach 3 years
ago.
Wowza. I didn’t see this one coming.
Woah! It’s getting expensive out there
What is happening this off-season?
They owners got their new CBA and the big new media contracts are about to kick in.
Investing in your business shouldn’t be a strange concept and overpaying for the cherry on top is the cost of doing business right.
Correa getting 341.1 million lol
With his perceived negative marketability, 2 teams already filling their needs, dodgers rulling him out, and other teams already spending a lot he could be a “bargain”. *Not at 341.1 million.
If Giants are bidding against themselves as can’t picture another team that would pay too much over $300 mil. Perhaps Twins, but they would be dumb to pay what they can’t afford.
Twins already made a 10 year offer over $300 million and it was not enough. Doubt Correa does that unless he has a higher offer in hand.
Padres have proven that teams like the Twins that are in a bigger market can afford to spend more.
Yeah probably so, but it’s gotta be over 300 million easy
Cubs better sign Correa or Swanson
This basically guarantees Tatis to the outfield, and could very much be insurance for if Machado opts out at the end of this year. Becomes X to 3B with Kim staying at SS afterwards. He could be used at 2B this year. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Cronenworth ends up being moved in a deal now that he’s getting squeezed out. Using him at 1B simply isn’t a good use of resources, even with the shift getting banned. You’re wasting a lot of his value by putting him there. This is quite unexpected, but they needed someone who could rake and X fits the bill, wherever he ends up playing.
Wow what a Bad Move !
Is prellers next move trading for Devers to man 1sr?
Trades for Devers and plugs him in at batboy.
Epic!
Haven’t seen this sort of thing since the Yankees traded for Stanton and that team was stacked!
dougdeb
Funny Padres still trying to buy a pennant. Didn’t you learn anything with Hosmer?
Yes don’t sign light hitting 1B to long contracts. But that misfire doesn’t seem to be hindering them
That awkward moment when you defended the Hosmer signing when it happened.
mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/padres-to-sign-eric-hos…
Liking your own comment again from your other screen name…pathetic
I only have one screen name. This one. It is enough. And everyone saw you defending the Hosmer signing as well as your other bad takes. You just have to live with that.
No I don’t think anyone cares or has time other than you to scroll for an hour to find a 4 year old articles.
Answer me this
How many screen names have you had? I’ll bet you don’t answer
If you have even a kindergarten level understanding of Google it takes 10 seconds to find. But judging by the rest of your comments idk why I expected that from you.
LOLZ GOOGLE MY ARS
Hosmer signing showed the rest of the baseball world we were willing to pay or overpay for players unlike the past. Guess it doesn’t matter now cuz look, where we are chump.
The Padres would objectively be looking better for the future, both short and long-term, if they never signed Hosmer. “Showing the rest of the baseball world we are willing to overpay” means nothing.
Answer the question about your w teen names or never reply again. This will not end well for you
Address your Wil Myers for Noah Syndergaard trade proposals and claim that the Padres HAVE to trade for good players first to be able to sign them later on. This will not end well for you.
You didn’t learn the lesson the Red Sox fans learned?
Just give up and start complaining. It’s much cheaper.
Are you seriously trying to conflate the Hosmer signing with Bogaerts? Your jealousy is showing.
LOL. Appears I have to eat crow. I said I assume less than 11 years and $300 million to anyone other than the Padres. Congrats Preller. You made Dombrowski look like a skilled negotiator. Holy cow this is amazingly stupid. The last thing they needed was to triple down on cutting the farm and sign another lengthy deal but it’s a position of strength for them as as. Wow. I wonder why they never won a title.
Phillies fans – I formally apologize for calling the Turner and Walker deals bad.
Judge I understand if you trade Soto to restock. A SS? For 11 years? And $280 million. Not named Correa? Or Turner? I’m flabbergasted. Oh boy. Thank you. Had a rough day with work a surgery recovery and needed this laugh.
Completely normal behavior. Just because you’re a billionaire doesn’t mean you know anything about money. I don’t blame AJ Preller for this Ludicrous-Ness, he’s just taking the Monopoly Money handed to him and tossing it about willy-nilly. There are no words left to describe the whacked out twilight zone that is the 2022/23 off-season.
” Just because you’re a billionaire doesn’t mean you know anything about money.”
You’re talking about Peter Seidler. Do you know anything about him? A..N.Y.T.H.I.N.G at all? Try looking up his name on Google, and find out how he made his money. It wasn’t inherited. He’s good at making money, and is still making lots of it.
He also comes from a baseball family. Ever hear of the name O’Malley?
You’re login name reflects your post. I didn’t say it. You said it in what you posted.
Educate yourself a bit, before disparaging someone you know nothing about.
Completely fair. When it comes to thinking about billionaires, I often forget they are an entirely different species of human from us, when it comes to any sort of frame of reference. For instance, I mistakenly assume if a guy owns a baseball team, then that would be his primary focus & center of attention. (It would be if I owned a team.) But on the contrary, in all likelihood the MLB franchise is just one of MANY investment vehicles he oversees; and not a high priority one in that. I can’t even fathom what that must be like. SMH.
Yes. $15 an hour obviously gave you a much deeper understanding of economics!
Says the guy that wants one year of a HOF player over a restocked farm club, shorter term deals and and a sustainable future. Preach Warren Buffet. LOL
At least the dirty sox have Hosmer
Seems desperate but this team has never won a ring. At least they are pushing all their chips in for their fans. Hopefully for them it ends better than it did last year after giving up the farm for Soto and Bell.
The team will probably be all hyped up winning the NL West, and blow it in the playoffs.
uuuuh isn’t that exactly what just happened to your Dodgers?
11 year commitment to a 30 year old SS is ridiculous. Then again, I have an 11 year commitment to the ketchup and mustard I bought from COSTCO.
LOL
I wonder what Correa and Swanson are going to get now 11 or 12 years $300 mil as starting point. No wonder Dodgers are quiet.
I got that deal, too. Dang! I mean, what’s a guy gonna do with 220 cases of Costco ketchup and mustard?! I kind of overdid that “prepping” thingy, I guess. 🙂
The point is not that its 11 years. No one gives a rats patootie what happens the last few years of a long term deal.
Its the $25.5 million AAV that matters. That is what allows you to sign top players and still fill your roster while not breaking the top CBT thresholds.
This is the same as the deal for Turner with the Phillies. Its all about that AAV.
In the last week, everyone predicted that Bogaerts would get $30 million AAV for 6-8 years. The Padres got him for $25.5 million AAV.
I think the more important thing is that I have one container of mustard and another of ketchup that is going to take 11 years to finish. I might have to will it to someone if I die. Takers?
Have the Padres learned NOTHING from the Eric Hosmer & Will Myers contracts???
you can’t let two bonehead mistakes prevent you from making two more–that’s just crazy!
Did you think the lesson was to be cheap?
The lesson was don’t invest in bad players on the corners.
They learned it very well.
Correa should get at least $325.
Arguably, based on Turner and Xander deals, he should ask for 15 years and $400 million. No one should pay it of course and Dombrowski and Preller are out leaving it impossible. He likely ends up making less than these two just because there are no more idiots to offer more
Correa is getting a big deal. Watch.
And don’t forget, good pitching always beats good hitting, so loading up your lineup with all these very talented hitters will not guarantee you anything.
Darvish, Musgrove, and Snell line up favorably with the top 3 in nearly any teams rotation.
You also have to remember that its December 7th, not opening day. I don’t think Preller is done.
Darn!
Are you sure? I was told this guaranteed a title for them!
If they don’t add one or two quality SP, then they won’t likely have improved themselves this offseason
The Padres are dumb.
30 + 11 = 41 wow…Padres are going to scuffling in a few years when ageism hits.
And there are still Padres fans who think it was smart to give Suarez a 5 year extension
Wait. He turns 42 on October 1, 2034. Technically to age 42! It’s too funny
The deal is through his age 40 season. Still old in baseball, but its not 41.
@Pads Fans: On October 1, 2034, when he should be playing his last regular season game of this contract, Xander will turn 42. He was born October 1, 1992.
My comment is wrong and I can’t delete it. Lame.
Close the books on any big name free agent signing long-term with the Giants if he wants to make the playoffs.
Someday in the next few years the Padres will be completely out of money with no farm system and a bunch of aging stars. Will they go like the Angels and try to sell the team at that point?
I hope not I havent had this much fun as a Padre fan since ever
No. It’s called rebuilding. You can look it up.
Not someday. 4-5 years from now at the latest. Mush rove is the only pitcher I believe they can rely on. Snell is a five innings guy that gets lit up at least once a month and Darvish is aging. They have zero in the minors other than Mayer. This is win this year or next or bust situation and it shockingly clear to nearly everyone that doesn’t have “pads” in their user name
Ownership will keep spending, they’re having fun. And in MLB, teams willing to spend win, as is attested by 14 of the last 15 WS winners being in top 8 payrolls. So sure, a lot of the present roster will be gone in 4-5 years and the team will simply reload, undaunted by the envy of fans from teams with owners reluctant to engage in such fun. My team for example.
Teams that make deep runs in the playoffs add large amounts of money to their revenue stream. Then they can spend more money. So they can make more money by going back to the playoffs.
Red Sox fans should not be upset with this signing. That contract is insane.
He’s 30yrs old right now, contract will be till he’s 41.
Math seems to be a hard thing for people on this board.
Bogaerts turned 30 in October. In 2023 Bogaerts will be playing in his age 30 season and won’t turn 31 until after the regular season ends.
That means the last season of this deal he will be in his age 40 season all year. He doesn’t turn 41 until after the regular season ends.
he got about as far away from boston as you can get lol. can’t blame him
wtf this dude is 30 yrs old! Contract till he’s 41, hahaha good luck with that contract mess.
With GM meetings on the west coast , gotta love the late night moves. Into the middle of the east coast night with signings.
Boo
I can’t give him 11 years at 280 million! If I am spending that then I am going after Correa! That’s insane! They offfered Judge 400 million!
ROFL
JED!!!
Boy Padres really don’t want to resign Soto do they hahahaha?
I wouldn’t want to give him over half a billion either.
In all honesty they never had a chance. If they were smart they would have plugged some holes and ran that team back out there hoping for another playoff berth and then trade Soto next offseason to restock the now barren farm. Even if they do that now, they have three $280+M contracts that will age poorly and another loooooong decade of dog days of last place coming
Wow! What kind of loser gives up instead of signing this contract? That’s pathetic.
Every other MLB team. Every single one. Offer XB in trade for nothing but salary relief to every club right now and you are lucky to get an offer to pay half. This was the dumbest signing I have literally ever seen in baseball history. 11 years and $280M for not close to the best available player at his position on the current market because they got spurned by better players. Don’t offer contracts while angry that no one liked you.
dude, you’re sounding seriously burdened. I know Preller lives in a lot of heads but your case is gliobastomic.
Preller is a joke. Anyone can throw around money. He threw stupid money. Stupid. Cohen threw around money but will have significant flexibility in two years. Smart vs sloppy is a choice I guess
The loooong 8 year deal for Nimmo musta caused ya to poo your pants then
Sad to see Xman go, but Redsox already got his best years and the soxs have a stud SS in the minors that will be up faster than most think. I personaly think Padres overpaid heavy for a good player. Yes, Xman is good, but he isn’t a superstar.
Honestly, this contract is ok. A GM does not care about the length. They care about winning in the next few years. Preller wont be the GM in 2033 anyways. Plus 28m now is what 20 m in 11 years?
The guy most likely will be quite good for most of this contract as he is a pure hitter, can easily move to 3b or even 1b and if he isnt good in 2028 and beyond, so what?
The padres are a small market team that is trying to win a title in the next few years. Paying him 280 or 220 doesnt matter. They are trying to win now and if he stinks later, theyll deal w it then amd this amount wont cripple anybody.
I love Bogey and wish him the best, but I’m glad the Sox did not get roped into an 11 year deal for him. Now if I’m Boston I’m asking Preller about Tatis,Jr.
Tatis Jr–the chronically injured steroid user with a 14-year contract?
I forgot his contract was 14 years, that’s a career…..I still like that contract over Bogey’s because he’s still young. We are the land of second chances, he did his suspension and that’s that as far as I’m concerned. He does it again it then becomes a problem….
Yep, you’re right. If Preller put Tatis on the trade block tomorrow, literally NO other team in the majors, would attempt to trade, to bring Tatis on board. Including your own.
/end sarcasm
PS: By the way, try to keep up. Tatis had his wrist and shoulder surgically repaired. What other “chronic” injuries has he had, other than a pulled muscle from doing the splits on one of his impossible defensive plays that no other infielder could make? Also, what authority do you cite that would indicate that Tatis is a chronic steroid user? He’s been tested regularly, before the latest pop. Don’t mind me if I don’t hang around to read the post you’ll never make, with that evidence.
To be fair, if you get caught cheating once, why would anyone not assume they were cheating the entire time?
OldSaltUSNR;
I don’t think there’s a team in MLB that will touch Tatis, let alone trade something for him.
The contract is outrageous. The man has 12 years coming, and the contract is backloaded. Think an owner can hold his breath for 12 years?
The only market he has is for those people that go to stock car races to see a crash. Even talking about the guy is something one sees in a bad movie. This is Kyrie Irving on steroids….literally.
Even the Pirates would trade for Tatis if they had the chance
Well, that’s because MLB has a regular testing protocol, and Tatis has passed every, single time, previously. That’s why.
Also, he’s an endomorph, i.e. not a bulked up roid user. He’s muscular, but not bulky. He doesn’t have the neckline of most chronic steroid users. Plus, he’s only 24 years old.
Lots of reasons why one would not expect that he was a chronic roid user.
jimthegoat;
No
Samuel;
Yes
OldSaltUSNR;
Let’s cut the crap…..
He’s a very talented athlete.
He’s also immature, dumb, irresponsible, unstable, accountable to no one, and unreliable. Even Preller blew up during the testing thing saying that he was sick of being lied to.
The overgrown kid’s a nightmare. No MLB owner is going to get involved with someone like that – don’t care if he hits 80 HR’s a year and bats .500. Every day they’ll be waiting for the unthinkable to drop, and their only hope will be that the Commissioners Office will step in and help them. And don’t think the other team owners will be happy about the Commissions office having to do that.
I didn’t realize you had such a crush on the kid, Salt.
Let’s be real: Calling Tatis “chronically injured” is pretty fare. He’s NEVER made it through an entire season at the major league level healthy, never played a full season.
There’s a lot of different ways to pass a drug test. Have you ever heard of a wizz-anator? For all we know, Tatis could have been juicing the entire time. Who really knows?
Despite your love affair with the kid, he’s not quite as valuable as he seems. Couple his seemingly negative clubhouse presence with his injury history, steroid use, and monster contract, and his trade value probably isn’t that great.
You do know that any cover up agent is also something MLB tests for and is something MLB players would get suspended for?
You do know that when MLB does its tests, that the players don’t just go in a bathroom and fill a bottle, right? There is a person standing in front of them watching them pee in that bottle. No Whizzinator possible.
Tatis played 59 of 60 games in 2020. That is an entire season, albeit a short one. Not his fault MLB only played 60 games. He was healthy the whole year. Then he played 130 of 162 in 2021. That is more than 80% of the games.
Tatis is so good that knowing his injury history, people that are paid to evaluate talent thought it was best to lock him up for 14 years and $341 million.
@ Samuel. Now let’s cut to reality. Yes Tatis is a knuclehead, a mistake prone happy young fella. But let’s be clear, he remains the most dynamic superstar in the game if and when he pulls it together. His talent dwarfs Machado, Soto, etc… and those guys know it. In a full 162 he’d put up numbers not seen since Bonds. So yeah, all his past stupidity aside, If he were a FA his offers would exceed any we’ve seen…. Like it or not.
Brew’88;
What you wrote is what was said about Yasiel Puig his first few years.
No doubt the Padres went after SS’s because they knew they
couldn’t depend on him….and they know him best.
Don’t think for a moment that there weren’t things covered up the past few years. We – the public – doesn’t know a fraction of what goes on.
And Barry Bonds was a cheater.
Was one of the things that got covered up his involvement with Bauer’s girl?
Those same evaluators that gave Tatis the 14-year contract ALSO thought giving Eric Hosmer a monster deal was for the best.
Those same evaluators just gave a 30-year-old, glove-first shortstop an 11-year deal.
You talk about them like they’re not idiots, when they very clearly are.
Puig was never progged to ave 8.5 WAR/BA 290/30 SB/50HR/160 OBS+, and never actually did that. Tatis on the other hand, well, those are his ACTUAL 600 AB averages over his injury-riddled career to date (and those were Bonds numbers BEFORE he started cheating).. At age 24 he’s probably going to get better, especially with off-season surgery to strengthen his shoulder? I’m not saying all teams would jump at the chance to sign him, but if he’s available, the top offer will be extraordinary. A risk for sure, but that’s reality of the game today.
I’ll take Tatis at 14 over Bogaerts at 11 even if Tatis were a free agent today. Hah hope he brings those ‘roids with him to help any of his teammates should they ever have a case of “ringworm” too
All they need now is Rodon.
Wish Scott Boras could have represented me.
If they’re moving their ss to the of, this is basically the equivalent of signing an outfielder, right? Why on earth would you sign an 11 year, 280m deal for a 5 WAR “outfielder” when there’s literally a 4 WAR actual outfielder available for, maybe, 5 year, 100m in Brandon Nimmo? I know this isn’t apples to oranges here, but not accounting for positional value is absurd. Makes me think of Joe Mauer’s value evaporating once he moved to 1b.
He’s not been signed to play outfield at least not initially they signed Xander to play shortstop.
Yes I’m aware of that. But his presence pushes Tatis to LF. Why pay all the extra money to get a new ss and get your old ss to play lf when they could have just signed a left fielder for half the price?
Bogaerts is getting $25.5 million AAV. So you are saying Nimmo will sign for less than $12.75 million AAV?
I don’t think Nimmo will sign for less than $20 million AAV in this market.
So far Bogaerts has been a much more reliable player than Nimmo. Over the past 6 seasons Nimmo has played in 576 games and Bogaerts 789. They will both play the 2023 season at age 30
Comparable yearly salaries, half the year commitment.
Nimmo is not a comparable player. He has played about 70% of the games Bogaerts has played, Nommo’s 16.9 WAR over the 6 years you two were discussing is only 2/3 of Bogaerts 25.6 WAR.
Nimmo deserves a little over half the AAV that Bogaerts will get and instead he will be paid a similar AAV over 6-7 years. That makes Nimmo a bad value comparatively.
@ Andy the plan before this signing was for Tatis to play OF and Kim at SS. So Bogey doesn’t bump Jr, he complicates things for Kim though. But I think we all need to wait to see what actually happens with the positions, They still will need to acquire an OF and 1B/DH.
The Red Sox just let Devers go as well wow
Padres are Mr. Leslie Chow
I’m so confused.
.750 OPS away from Fenway and going to Petco is a little concerning. Hopefully it translates.
Yeah, he definitely won’t be jacking it in San Diego.
So stupid.
San Diego has been here done that and traded away talent, when they tried to go all in before. It’s only a matter of time before ownership gets bored and blows it up again. Now we can really see who is buying talent for future rings.
The second half of that contract is going to be really rough.
Respect Judge more! Stayed wit organization that made him instead of selling out for $400m. Wow how. San Diego is so desperate!
Wow as a Red Sox fan love Xander but that contacts crazy. I don’t blame Bloom and the Red Sox to pass on that one and I don’t think any sane rational Red Sox fans will either. I’m happy for Xander San Diego has given him a contract he couldn’t refuse so I don’t blame Xander.
The Red Sox now need to pivot it’s time to decide whether to pivot to Swansby or go with Story at short and Arroyo at second. If they go the latter they should be serious contenders for Rodon or to continue to upgrade pitching.
Both options are bad, get a cheap proven SS like Iglesias, leave the rest of the IF alone, for God’s sake don’t touch rodon, swanson or correa, and, fire bloom
The length of the deal is to lower the annual yearly payment. He will play 9 years before the deal looks bad
Guaranteed to not age well.
In the long run, could all these big contracts bite the Padres in the rear? Sure, that will happen at some point down the road but I’m not going to criticize it. Padres fans get to watch 162 extra all star games a year. They should sell out every game they play with that collection of talent. Good for you Padres fans, you have an exciting ball club to watch and as a baseball fan, I’m envious of the star power your team has.
The Padres display generosity. They will pay Xander for his best years, that he had with the Red Sox. .
“It’s a stunning development, with the four-time All-Star leaving the only organization he’s ever known to join the Padres on a staggering commitment.”
Stunning? He a Boras client. It’s par for the course. Bogaerts recently turned 30, was at the 35th percentile in avg exit velo for 2022, and hit significantly better in Fenway than on the road. Padres are idiots.
Whoa!!! Did not see this happening! I mean, the Padres were chasing everyone but they weren’t landing anyone… Til now. So much for Boston and Bogaerts being “deep in discussions”.
So many big trades and signings by Preller. Seriously, what’s in the water in San Diego?
Fish tacos. Always fish tacos.
Literally. Fish from the sea.
That said, kudos to Boras, He got the Padres to fall for his song and dance routine.
Just like he did with Hosmer eh?
All because tatis had an infection and a motorcycle accidents
Insane amount of years/money for XB for what the expectations were… then again, this whole market has been crazy.
I love seeing the Padres go for it like this, man. And getting XB, who will remain a good hitter even after his fielding declines, will add to an already-super stout lineup. They’re going to be an offensive juggernaut if everyone stays healthy next year.
Pads fans have to be excited for this. Plus, a true professional. XB plays the game right, has a great attitude and will be the consummate baseball
representative for the younger players.
Clipper his bat will age well…and with the bizarre uncertainty of Tatis/Machado opt out….not a bad deal. At 27per even better….
I agree. It’s long, the back end will be ugly, but the reality is that in just a few years $27M AAV will be comparatively low. I look at it this way: right now the QO is already over $20MM for 2023 just from these Winter Meetings signings.
Within a few years, especially with Ohtani, Murakami, and Soto going to FA, you’re looking at substantial agreements that will eclipse Judge’s contract. In five years Xander will only be a few million over the QO….. that’s nothing, relatively speaking.
I agree, man. Look, SD wants to win now. Xander may or may not be terrible in years 6-11, but if they’re winning in years 1-6, is anyone in Pads Nation really going to care? My guess is, no, especially if it brings home a WS. They have a great player, a fan favorite, and a key contributor who just made the Padres a whole lot better for at least the next five years.
A bit curious to see what Bogaerts does away from Fenway, a park made for his swing. His career batting away from Fenway is ok, but nothing spectacular: .271–.338–.420. His career OPS is approximately 120 points higher at home. That’s over a decade, so it’s not a small sample size. He’s a HOFer at home, something much less on the road. Not saying he’ll overall regress to his road stats in San Diego, but it’s worth watching. It’s been an under reported part of his evaluation.
Interesting observation. Be watching that for sure.
@RobM. I haven’t followed him closely, but one concerning stat on Bogaerts is that his groundball rate has increased and is now way above league average. That doesn’t play well in Fenway for slug stats, but then again, probably doesn’t play well anywhere. I wonder if rule changes on infield shift will help him a bit though.
AJ Preller is so dumb lmfao.
Padres fans: Would your rather have Judge for $400M/10 or this?
Bogaerts at $25.5 million AAV or Judge at $40 million AAV? I am going with Bogaerts.
this
1 more year, $120 million less
Ridiculous
11 years! For a guy already on decline. Unbelievable. These teams just can’t help themselves.
I’m just curious why do you think he is already in decline? According to fangraphs he just had his most valuable season according to WAR and his defense was the best it’s ever been at short sure doesn’t sound like a declining player to me. At least not at this point.
Bogaerts stats for 2023…..
2.85 average 17 Homers, 78 RBI
15 to 20 errors not to mention the balls he doesn’t get to based on the elimination of the shifts.
Thats year 1 … wait that will repeat for 3 or 4 years…. years 6-11 there will be a massive decline to the point where the last few years he will be a part time player or just released..
Thank You Chaim and the Red Sox ownership for not going there…. I don’t agree with alot of what you are doing…. but this one you got right.
I felt the same way when Ellsbury signed with the Yanks… I was right then and mark my words I am right again…… by the way… Bogey is my favorite player…. but I can see past that… facts are facts
Decline? His OPS+, WAR, and defensive metrics got better in 2022. He will decline in the future, but starting at a 5.8 WAR and 131 OPS+ at $25.5 million AAV that is fine. Easy to live with for the 5-6 years he should still be very good.
5 WAR decline…take that any day of the week. LOL. Another dumb take.
For the love of god Red Sox do not sign Swanson. Just trade Devers and throw in the towel and rebuild.
Then why sign Jansen… followed by Yoshida?
Jansen was a response to the continued and oppressive reporting all last season on how bloom never built a bullpen.
Yoshi was a desperation play after leaving negotiations with boras and knowing the face of the franchise, a kid with the org since he was 16 beloved by the fans and a homegrown star was being cut loose, along with immense mismanagement of his whole contract situation in an epic manner.
Read this:
masslive.com/redsox/2022/12/red-sox-flubbed-xander-bogaerts-talks-from-start-even-if-they-were-smart-not-to-match-padres.html
So, they spent on an overhyped Japanese player of similar age and similar salary, but, unproven against superior mlb pitching and defensive questionmarks. Major ones. Hoping a shiny toy would deflect the criticism over blowing things with the face of the franchise and another homegrown star. Again. For the second time in 3 years.
It’s a reoccurring theme with the RS it appears. I remember when Clemens, Boggs, and Mo Vaughn left disgruntled as free agents and themselves taking out full-page newspaper ads thanking RS fans. Vaughn wasn’t any good after leaving.
A lot of guys underperformed going to RS too. Most recently T. Story
Welcome to Boston Dansby 10 years 150
Going to take a lot more then that maybe 10/210 the contracts are insane this year.
James – No way. Mayer is Bloom’s ONE blue chip player. He’s the future at SS whether he’s good enough or not. Bloom will simply spin him as great like he did Kike, Paxton, Downs and others.
Story has SS until Mayer is ready. Bloom won’t impact his BLUE CHIP guy.
It’s great to be a Padres fan these days! Exciting stuff happening!
Here is all this spending, and baseball is still struggling overall attracting viewers.
Baseball had record revenue and they only struggled slightly to find viewers on broadcast TV. On streaming their viewership is exploding.
Not gonna be easy filling X Nady’s shoes as the greatest Padre whose name starts with an X.
@los_leebos Nice catch
LOL. This makes no sense, and as Padres fan I don’t see the fit.
But
Screw it, get the checkbook out and let it eat Uncle Peter.
Padres signing more stars meanwhile the Giants signed Joc and Haniger.
Diamondbacks are going to be the third best team in that division. Giants are getting passed up this year
Just completely f*** the Red Sox. I’m officially done with this team
Oh, now . . . you don’t mean that.
If Yoshida starts popping balls over the bullpen, you’ll be right there chanting, “Go, Sawx!”
Twice in one day I was wrong: I thought Judge would go to San Francisco and I sorta, kinda thought the Yankees might sign Bogaerts.
I don’t know how Pads and Sox fans feel about Xander’s choice, but I’d have loved to have him in the Bronx. He’s one of the best pure hitters on the planet, IMO.
Folks in San Diego should be delighted.
re: “Folks in San Diego should be delighted.”
Actually, a bunch of us are scared. Padre fans have seen fire sales over the years. Even though we know Seidler is the real deal, and that’s unlikely to happen, there IS a whole lot of cash on the table, huge risks would could harm the team for years, if multiple contracts go south.
However, a lot of people only remember the times Preller lost on deals. He makes a WHOLE lot of deals, and signings, and they all aren’t going to work out. I hated the Hosmer signing from the start. I was real concerned about the Clevinger trade, and in fact, it was largely a bust for the Padres. Same thing with the trade that sent Ty France to Seattle. However, that’s Preller’s job, not mine, and he’s got a whole lot more talent and experience than I do, at assessing deals. He’s also not a “Gunslinger” (like the late Kevin Towers). He has a process, he depends on substantial input, and has certain goals. He wins more than he loses, but again, fans (Padres and for other teams) will forget the good stuff pretty quickly, and never forget the mistakes.
Finally, I’ve written this before. I think the Padres are going to say “to heck with the luxury tax” for a few more years, i.e. just pay it and build the team up to compete in the NL West. Remember when the blew through all the International trade stop signs, and had a couple of penalty years after that. The considered it just part of doing business.
The same applies to the big money they’re spending now. We don’t understand it, but the Padres owners and front office, has a plan. I have little doubt that they’ll make Soto a legitimate offer. Can’t guarantee that he’ll sign it, i.e. he and Boras may be committed to free agency come what may, just like Turner wanted to go East (presumably, for family reasons). However, Preller will put the cash on the table in front of Soto.
Preller loses 10x more than he wins
Then why does he still have a job?
Cronyism
@harambe Not true, they were well above .500 last season and were a few bad bounces away from WS
big words from a small dude LOLZ
Go ahead make a list of all his trades and get back to us Ryan
You sound like you’re 5’ nothing
Did you just use my joke against me? Slow clap. But I bet you’ve never even had the clap cuz you have no rizzzz
Not “your” joke. Others have used it before you. And most likely on you.
And I thought your comment from 2 days ago was a new low but now according to you having the clap is a good thing?
Oh, I am. Baseball is fun in San Diego!
Hell, yeah!!! Let’s Go Padres!!! AJ, let’s get Rodon or Senga, Drury and extend Soto!
Why is everyone saying that it’s a bad deal for 11 years? Trea turner will be 40 when his contract is up. Don’t see anyone trolling that deal. LFG SAN DIEGO!!
people were trolling it pretty hard. Also (as much as I love Xander) Turner is a better all around player.
Both deals are stupid.
They obvious expect Machado to opt out, and that he will go elsewhere.
Probably means no long term deal with Soto either.
Not sure that’s a great outcome
I wouldn’t couple any of those situations. Soto still has a bit to prove and Machado may opt out but I wouldn’t be surprised if the contract is renegotiated. Keep in mind the Pads have expressed interest in extending Darvis. Uncle Pete isn’t scared
If Machado puts up his typical seasonal stats, he’s opting out of the $160M remaining. At 31, another 10+ year deal (for the sake of AAV) on the open market isn’t out of the question. His only FA competition is Rafael Devers with Matt Chapman distantly behind those two.
I don’t know what else Soto has to prove. He was a 5.6 bWAR player and had an OPS+ of 149 in a down year.
Soto’s production in SD was beyond sad
Some of the deals this off-season are incredibly stupid. I just don’t understand what teams are thinking signing guys for so many years. This one especially takes the cake.
Heck yeah! Let’s Go Padres! AJ, how about signing Rodon or Senga, Drury and extend Soto?!?
About 5 years too long.
Any contract over 6 years is too long and 6 years is pushing it. These deals never work out. Too bad the players union is so strong as contracts after 5 should not be guaranteed.
I’m an Angels and Padres fan, Albert Pujols contract was an anchor.
Kim gets traded with Eguy maybe Campasano too for a pitcher or a 1B. Pads look towards Devers if they get a pitcher via trade
A starter of course
Cards need a SS but I don’t know who would go the other way. Flaherty maybe.
Dude is injured so often he might as well not occupy a spot
Padres sign Senga. No draft picks attached. Then they trade some fluff for a 1B/DH or just sign someone like JD Martinez or Brandon Drury.
Well I’ll be dammed, these guys never want to see us on top anymore.
SOO ignorant of them to ignore your birth rite.
I trust our organizaion
As a Red Sox fan I have no problem with this. He wa here long enough he won rings. He has 3 maybe prime years left lol 11 years 280 million is horrible thank god the Sox didn’t do this now lock up Devers the Pads just saved our asses from a big time mistake……
Overpay. Apparently SD has grown desperate for a signing.
Who is he going to re-unite in Pardes?
Does he even want to play until he’s 41 lol
This is like giving Juan Soto 20 years, $900M.
So, what’s next? Peter Seidler signing Juan Soto to exactly that?
What the heck. Make it 20 years, $1B. Go for it.
This all somehow makes sense because Seidler is very smart and has deep MLB family roots. But I don’t see how.
Some day, some time, likely near 2028- 2030, the then San Diego GM, which will not be Preller, will state ” once we get passed these long term contracts of Bogaerts and Tatis, which I did not agree to, and which are holding the team hostage, we can better spend the resources that will available to us on more realistic contract lengths and move the team forward”
If there’s a WS Championship out of it then WTFC. Let’s get it!
Not getting a WS without another 2 or 3 legit pitchers. And I’ve no idea where they’ll come from. There surely can’t be any more money for Senga, and the farm is hardly brimming. Whatever the plan is, I can’t work it out, and from here it looks utterly insane.
Start with a billionaire. Find an industry like baseball where the big market teams make over $250MM annually with the NY and LA franchises being far greater. Now look at the CAP on payroll and how much does a billionaire get hurt by bringing big names to his team and running his payroll $50MM over the cap?
NY, LA, now SD all have it figured out. Keep your fans happy. Over spend and give yourself a chance at winning a ring. Dombrowski has explained it to the owners in Philadelphia and they have bought in. This is the world of professional sports.
LA, NY and SD won’t be LOSING money because of long contracts that over pay players. They will simply make less than they would have and gain the advantage of having their team in the news for being highly competitive.
Boston has chosen the opposite direction. They had a championship team and have tossed it aside and the devastation of the fan base will catch up with them at some point but by then they will have parlayed their huge earnings into other sports teams and can spin off the Red Sox organization at a huge profit. How messed up is that for the fans?
Don’t laugh at owners who over spend, root for one to buy your favorite team. It’s a lot more fun to have a competitive team rather than one that goes from a RING to the cellar in three short years.
PHEW! As a Redsox Fan I didn’t want Bogey at more than 6 or 7 years at 23aav…an 11-year, $280 million deal with the Padres at 30 years old is insane, He won’t be a SS in 3 years, HRs dropped to 17! Can’t hit a decent slider away. Huge Overpay there! DODGED A BULLET REDSOX NATION! Now go pay Correa & Devers & We’re Solid!
I think the Padres are banking on Machado opting out and eventually moving him over to 3B. Not a bad plan. They’re really going all in for this season, but they’re gonna be stuck with some long contracts that could turn sour after some time.
Way to plan ahead and avoid the ups and downs of world series wins and rebuilds.
Just stick with a wild card run every year instead so you never have to take any risks.
The amount of years are absurd this offseason. I love the player but 11 years is a lot. The money is also a ton. I don’t think he’s worth it but contracts will surely get higher throughout course of the deal. If I’m paying this much it’s gotta be for an A+ offensive contributor who is a complete game changer. I don’t think Bogaerts is that, despite being a great player.
The Padres seem too eager to spend a ton of money on a player. Its a good offseason for that as there are very solid players available who are going to be great for another decade perhaps. But since they offered so much to do many players they are likely just bidding for any big piece and not as much on the particular player they have singled out. But he’s a great player so I’m not sure how relevant that is.
*so* not do
Another consideration is how many total games can we expect Machado, Soto, Xander, and Tatis to be in the lineup all healthy at the same time. And that could even be baked into the calculations; Boegarts was a depth move more than anything and cover for when/if Machado bolts next off-season much like Trevor Story was insurance last year for if/when Xander leaves/left Boston like what just came to pass. Hmmmm, maybe this wasn’t such an egregious move like I previously thought.
Wow….I mean I wanted Xander to join my team (Twins) but 11 years?? 5-6 years yes plz. 11 nope, no way, not interested.
Whiffed on Turner, whiffed on Judge. Desperate as eff signing lol.. guess not much hope held for Tatis or Kim.
Tatis is going to pout in the outfield.
They are definitely getting rid of Tatis the first opportunity they get.
If Bloom had acted better last offseason he could have had Bogaerts a lot cheaper than that and for less years. Don’t tell me that Story is better or is going to be a great replacement. Story is a Coors Field hitter who is has been on the decline for the last 3 years. The minute Bogaerts went to free agency he was going to be more expensive. Great going Bloom!
I’m curious to see how long this big spending will last. I’m assuming if the Padres don’t win a world series in the next few years they will be having a fire sale and going back to their old ways.
Inflation always reverses.
Not!
Learn to cope or get left behind. Our economic system is built on inflation. Investing is a good thing. Taking risks is part of that.
Now Bloom will be in panic mode to sign someone to take the sting out of losing Bogaerts. I am tired of seeing this crap in Boston. The jerked around Johnny Damon in 2006 and lost him, jerked around Lester and lost him, jerked around Betts and traded him for 50 cents on the dollar to take Price off our hands , and now Bogaerts. Bloom jerked him around last year when he could have signed him a lot cheaper than this. We never hang on to our players anymore. He will go into the Hall of Fame as a Padre. Bloom is an idiot but Henry is always the guy who has the final say.
They weren’t outbidding the Yankees for Damon
Damon made it very clear he was going for money and had initially demanded more from the Red Sox for an extension than he got in FA. Besides, then yankees ended up regretting that deal.
Excellent signing… especially considering the shift will be gone next season, so having exceptionally athletic infielders will help reduce runs… genius move !!!
I don’t blame Bloom on this one. Paying 11 years is crazy.
“All I need is one dumb owner”
-Scott Boras
Very Happy Boston Let Xander Go at 11/280! Smart move ownership! 15HRs 30yrs old He won’t be a SS in 3 years! & Padres will hate how this deal ages! Smart Redsox! If you’re paying that get Correa at 28, Extend Devers, Grab your Ace & a power OF call it an offseason!
They already signed an outfielder
Padres keep playing with Monopoly money. Big market White Sox using Play-Doh.
Moronic. They also offered $400m to Judge & and now they offer 11 years to Bogey? I cannot wait to see the GM fired for this bad contract.
This deal will end far worse than their deals with Hosmer and Myers. It’s a huge overpay for a player that doesn’t fit defensively. Very, very stupid acquisition. This move wreaks of panic. Recklessly spending money just because they whiffed on others. This is the same organization that a few months ago was giving away Hosmer and Voit in salary dumps. They have no clear vision of what they’re trying to accomplish. They’re like little children playing fantasy baseball and making every move on a whim.
Padres after anyone really. I think they’re going to see a huge gap between Trea Turner and Xander Bogaerts.
Ya, that’s why they offered Xander nearly $100 million less.
Disgraceful. Absolutely disgraceful.
Fire Chaim Bloom.
It’s John Henry that’s the problem now….
… and Sam Kennedy.
As much as I hate the owners for firing Dombrowski and replacing him with a really bad rookie GM, they’ve given Bloom plenty of money to put a highly competitive team on the field and he has failed miserably in all his personnel choices including manager..
Blame Bloom for the roster and add ownership for hiring Bloom.
I predicted that the Mets, Tigers and Padres were a sure bet not to acquire on of the SSs via free agency. I don’t know anything.
I’m right there with ya GarryHarris!
Spend $90 million on a Japanese league outfielder, but not sign Bogey! Chaim Bloom couldn’t run a two-person picnic, let alone a baseball team.
Public relations. All talk.
Fire Chaim Bloom.
Watching the Red Sox stop using The Red Sox Formula (which actually wins and wins championships) to use The Rays Formula (which has won jack **** in the real world) is pretty wild.
The thing about analytics is when you key in too much of the beginning of the word and stick your head there.
First Don Orsillo, now Bogey – the Sox ineptness is working out for the Padres.
There is no defense for Orsillo (at least that the public is aware of)….. there would be rioting in the streets if the Sox signed Bogy for that contract
I understand, Rie. However, the Sox had plenty of time to workout an extension prior to other teams getting involved with XB. Inexcusable.
I miss Don Orsillo.
nexpress – First, he would have taken less and second the money isn’t your money so why complain that a ball player is over-paid if he’s producing rings for you? Bogaerts has 2. I believe that’s more than most of the great players available in free agency. I believe your rioting in the streets was a bit over dramatic.
If the Red Sox paid Bogaerts $10MM too much per year for the next 11 years that would mean their profits would be $10MM less but those profits would still be astronomical along with the value of the franchise increasing by winning. An overpay on Bogaerts is lost in the rounding of the profits!!
Now there will be no winning AND no Bogaerts or JD or Devers or Eovaldi or Mookie or Benny or Renfroe or Schwarber. But the good news is we have a slap hitter from Japan that CAN NOT field and he only costs $18MM a year for half a decade while the team recovers from all Bloom’s moves. Great!!
This isn’t the NBA, single players don’t produce rings for a team (unless they’re a jeweler on the side).
Why do people care about money even though, “it isn’t theirs”? Because those people aren’t ignorant to the idea that teams have budgets and poorly spent money in one place reduces your ability to fill holes in another.
Flame – Perfect example of someone who thinks they know how a ball club is run like a family budget. Thanks for being the example I’ve been talking about. The Red Sox aren’t your local store or comparable to a family when it comes to budgeting. Not the big market teams. Marge Schotts yes, the Boston consortium no.
Yes, the Red Sox owners look at foreign investments in other sports teams and use that to constrain the Red Sox payroll but wake up they are making money hand over fist.
If you made 1/3 of a billion a year and you could put a losing team on the field for $100MM and a winning team on the field for $200MM would you give up the extra profits to win? If your answer is NO then you are cheap and shouldn’t own franchises!! If your answer is yes then you are beginning to see why the Yankees for 100 years haven’t given a damn about how much they spend as long as they have a shot at winning.
There are no guarantees in life but the Yankees and other big market teams now realize it’s better for their franchise, their city, their fans and their daily lives if they spend big bucks to give their team a chance.
Thank goodness more teams are figuring out how the industry works. Too bad the Red Sox owners don’t care because they did understand how things worked when they invested wisely for the first two decades to win four rings.
Expand your thought process and think about what it would be like to make 1/3 of a billion a year and how willing you might be to over pay a key employee by $10MM a year if it raises your chances of winning a ring.
The dumbest part iis that this includes a full no trade clause. What happens if this doesn’t work out lol
NTC is meaningless. The money in the contract is already functionally a NTC.
If Cano could be traded, Bogaerts certainty can.
Huh? NTC is a big deal for the player. wHy ElSe WoUlD ThEy InClUdE ThEm?
Stroke?
For everyone going after Bloom for not getting Bogaerts my response is simple: 11 years. The Padres are paying a premium to go all in and I don’t blame the Red Sox for saying good bye. They failed last year to extend him, ok. But offering a competing 11 year deal would have been ridiculous, it’s those kind of contracts that have screwed the Red Sox in the past
There still better be a different plan B other than Story taking over short..
I get that a few over-pays have happened during this ownership’s time frame but in 2018 when Dombrowski paid $165MM for his active players and the ownership paid over $40MM in old bad contracts the team won and ownership made nearly 1/3 of a billion dollars that year.
The Red Sox pockets are very, very deep so over paying only hurts their chances for buying other sports franchises. They aren’t going into bankruptcy any time soon. So why should fans care if a guy makes too much money if the owners can afford it?
You have GREAT homegrown players leaving for a pittance when you consider the big picture. Mookie didn’t have to go, Bogaerts didn’t have to go, heck Schwarber didn’t have to go. Bloom did this and ownership blessed it.
Pay the home grown guys so young Red Sox fans can feel about current ball players like we felt about Williams and Yaz. It’s unfair to this generation of baseball fans to ignore the tradition of having home grown players that they can idolize and see at the ball park for a decade or two. The money is so huge in the industry that fans need to stop worrying about over paying players and start caring about having a winning organization no matter what it costs because ownership still makes a ton of money in Boston!
I could give a **** about the money…… it’s the length of the contract. I commend the Red Sox for not going there…. especially when you have Marcelo Mayer your SS of the future a year away from making an impact. These teams that are paying guys 10 plus year contracts to take guys into their early 40’s are just STUPID. Anyone that thinks this is a good deal for the Padres is delusional.
Cooper – The length guarantees he will be the first Red Sox to retire after a career in the uniform since Varitek or whoever was the last to do so.
The Mayer issue you point out is a good one. If Mayer is great and performs better than Bogaerts then you need to move Bogaerts. With all the minor league players like Mayer and Yorke you run a risk of how great they will be. If both are great Bogaerts solves your HUGE 3B problem. If neither is good you still have an excellent SS for many years, especially if Devers moves off 3B and stops impacting all Bogaerts metrics. So keeping Bogaerts and letting Mayer and Yorke prove their value would have worked out.
Will Bogaerts be good at age 40? Maybe not but if you eat the last year to get a 130 OPS+ for 6 to 10 years he’s more than paid for himself. If he fails after a few years, it’s a bad deal. Bogaerts has a clean injury history, has a great work ethic, has no body issues like Devers and has never been a speedster so his SBs won’t fall off that much.
What might happen is his power will improve with age like many players who refocus their batting approach as they age. Who knows, maybe he hit less home runs due to the toxic environment since Mookie and Price got ushered out the door. Maybe it will come back or maybe it won’t.
If Yoshida deserves $18MM as an inept fielder and slap hitter I think the $25MM Bogaerts is getting is more than fair. His value is far greater than Yoshida’s.
I’m not a Red Sox fan but Chaim is destroying this team. They need to get rid of him before he screws things up with Devers.
RODBECK…. so you think Bloom should have given Bogey 11 years? Really
Yes, I do.
Chaim inherited a core of Betts, Xander, Devers, Benintendi and Vazquez. The only one left is Devers and now that Xander is gone, Devers is definitely gone.
Red Sox fans should be protesting at Fenway right now for what Chaim’s done to this team.
Cooper – RodBeck’s comment doesn’t suggest that. He just stated a very blatant fact – CHAIM BLOOM is DESTROYING THIS TEAM.
That’s all no Bogaerts reference in his comment!!
So they spent more than half of what they made solely on player payroll? And that was in a year where they were fortunate enough to actually win a WS.
Flaming – No clue what your comment meant. In 2018 Boston (Dombrowski) spent around $165MM to field the World Series team.
The team paid over $41MM in mistakes prior to Dombrowski.
Now, here is the most critical piece to this scenario.
Boston’s PROFITS were roughly $330MM that year even after the luxury tax which was under $10MM.
Your numbers are not accurate. Boston not only made a ton of money in 2018 but their franchise value rose significantly and all with Dombrowski staying way under the CAP on CURRENT PLAYERS. The owners ate the $40MM+ and laughed all the way to the bank.
There never has been a critical need to get under the cap. It’s fans who think as small time accountants that suggest there is a problem with spending big in baseball and there are other fans who make up stories about Dombrowski spending over the meaningless CAP line. He didn’t over spend and that is the fact of the matter.. Ownership made mistakes on contracts before he arrived and it reduced their EARNINGS by less than 10% while winning a ring and raising the value of their franchise.
bloom must be proud today seeing all his lap dogs are hard at work.
What are the Padres going to do with so many infielders?
I would say this puts Tatis in the OF or Kim becomes a super UTIL type player.
Kim at SS or traded. Next question.
Please, no more whining ever about the Yankees, Red Sox or Dodgers trying to buy pennants.
So, now it’s Yankees, Padres or Dodgers. Got it.
To be fair, the buy a championship existed from 1919 to 1962 with the Yankees buying half the rings during that era. The non-Yankee big spending is a recent phenomena and it levels the field into tiers rather than having one team way above all the others.
It’s not good for baseball but it’s better than the 1919 to 1962 era.
Dude, there were very few teams back then, not a good comparison.
what about the Phillies and Mets?
Did Dansby miss the opportunity to cash in or do these ridiculous contracts for the other 3 SS drive up his price? I think the dance partners left for Dansby are all gonna be cheap in their offers.
Dansby isn’t as good as these guys lol
Completely agree. That’s the question, does he get way more than he should because he’s last guy left or does he miss out on getting paid decent at all?
Define decent? Prior to 2022, Dansby was more average – above average than good. Less track record will probably hurt him. I think he probably still gets 9 figures, though. He’d be smart to get an opt out after 2 years. If he continues to be more the 5ish win player than the 2-3 win player, he should still be able to cash in on that @ 30 (31 for the season), apparently.
This is not the way to turn an organization around. It makes no financial sense. I feel bad for Padre fans and the state of the game.
11 years at age 30?!? You get what you deserve
They had to overpay after Turner rejected them. Turner is way better in average WAA, WAR, steals, and overall offensive wow factor.
MLB needs a hard cap.
No.
Padres are still paying Hosmer for his bad contract. Wonder how long until they feel the same way about Bogaerts and dump him elsewhere.
I think even mid-30’s Bogaerts will have some defensive value, unlike Hosmer, so it’ll be a while until he’s THAT bad…but I’d say this looks bad by ~2027 (assuming he doesn’t have any injuries or anything that derail his career much faster).
I doubt the Padres plan to have Bogaerts in their lineup in 10 years? They’re perhaps hoping for 8 years of value at $280 MM, which might not be such a terrible deal. But by signing him to 11 years at $25 MM/year, instead of 8 years at $35 MM/year, they have $10 MM less annually on the salary cap. The bigger problem they face with him is his desire to remain at SS, which doesn’t give them flexibility, just the opposite.
The current roster of the Dodgers is anything BUT a powerhouse. Even when they have a great roster the Dodgers have finished off a full season championship just ONCE since 1966.
I’m surprised that they’re still giving out these long deals (11yrs) , not 1 10 year deal has worked out, the Red Sox have a lot of work to do, they signed relief pitchers but who’s starting, playing 2b, catching, only the OF doesn’t need anything. If you need a catcher they can have McCann for free lol.
This is like a few years ago when the Yankees acquired LeMahieu. I didn’t think they needed another IF but he was used as a super sub instead.
Kim may be the super sub. I think the Padres will acquire a 1B.
Why wouldn’t Juan Soto move to LF? He wasn’t so bad a LF but in RF, he’s not very good.
This makes zero sense unless they plan on playing Bogey at DH for the next 11 years. Or they miraculously trade Tatis and/or Kim to free up the position. And we all know nobody is taking Tatis Jr unless the Pads take on a boat load of that contract
Thank you Mr. Peter Seidler. I started as a Padres fan back in 1972 – or maybe a little before – and this kind of generosity from ownership you are showing us has never before been seen in San Diego. It’s exciting to be a Padres fan lately. Thank you again!
So absurd that ball players with these stats (not that they’re not good, just not elite) get paid so much $ . The past big leaguers missed out on a ton of money in their time. I guess I picked the wrong life path lol should have become a ball player.
The mystery of AJ Preller – sinner or saint. Mad genius, or manic child in charge. A real talent for finding young talent, mixed with the shopping mania of a Khardashian on steroids for every big free agent talent out there.
Xander is a happy young man today. Somehow, however, it is hard to foresee that clubhouse turning into a close-knit, well constructed environment that plays to their potential, but I certainly could be wrong.
This is such a bad deal in so many ways…. 11 years…. omg enjoy the last 6 years of that contract…. Good for the Red Sox, your Short Stop of the future will be there soon.
Exceptions to the rule…. How many of the recent long term contracts will NOT have OPS+ totals for the length of the contract to cover the cost of the contract?
Face it, the world has changed since Pujols and Miggy and AROD got long term contracts. Guys like Miggy (Devers has a similar body type) didn’t work out due to his lack of discipline when it comes to eating and conditioning. Pujols first contract for 7 years $100MM in 2004 worked out great for STL. There are always exceptions.
If Tom Brady signed a 20 year deal in 2003 his deal would have been absurd but it would have worked out. There is no telling whether a player will maintain his skills for an extended period of time but his discipline, health habits and body structure go a long way to suggesting what will work. Trout is built like a linebacker with speed. That body type looked to be fine at first but he’s not endured like expected. A guy like Mookie who stays in great shape and hits with his wrists like Ernie Banks does have the upside to be good throughout his contract. Yes, he’ll steal fewer bases as he ages but that’s not his main contributing factor to his value.
Will Bogaerts be a 130+ OPS+ for half the contract? Maybe. People doubted Mookie and he’s shown he’s still a 130+ OPS guy. There are about a dozen great hitters in baseball and about another dozen excellent hitters who could qualify for a long term contract and will need to because of their value. You can say don’t do long contracts but that will remove you from competition for the best players in baseball. So the trick is to evaluate the players individually and never use generalizations to pick a player for a long term contract. Know their work ethic, their body type, their personal commitment to staying fit, their family situation and their injury history. Then spend money on as many top 12 guys as you can and let the rest of the roster be complimentary pieces that are interchangeable.
The generalizations about long contracts are made by fans who think of the hugely profitable business of baseball as if it’s their household budget. It’s not. Bad contracts for big market teams are an annoyance not devastating.
How many times do we need to see even large market teams bargain hunt to fill clear holes due to bloated payroll from under performing players for you to buy these, “generalizations”?
Flame – Grand jesture without a single example. Gross generalizations like yours are the arguments presented by those not holding facts.
Also, why do you care if this happens? If a player is paid too much that no different than you being paid too much at your job. If it happens, most folks will be happy for you not jealous. Why begrudge the players for the choices made by people with unlimited disposable income?
But even Mookie, as much as he tries to stay in shape, has missed 20% of games the past 3 years due to injuries
Brew88 – How do you measure success?
Many professional baseball people use OPS+
Mookie’s OPS+ in Boston was 134 and in LA it’s 134.
Hard to be more consistent than that!!
So his production is as good as before in less games. I think that means he’s getting better.
Also, counting games can be very misleading. The Dodgers have far more depth than the Red Sox did so he will play roughly 10 less games a year as a Dodger than a Red Sox. I don’t agree with their approach and I think it explains why they are never consistently successful winning the World Series but always make the playoffs. Resting players excessively doesn’t improve their performance it simply hurts the teams performance.
I expect as long as the manager in LAD is Roberts, Mookie’s target GS will be closer to 140 than 15o (like most teams)..
I know we all wanted the players to get paid more and the owners to spend more but this is getting silly.
My only questions is how do they extend Soto now? That gives them Manny at $30 mill/yr, Tatis eventually at $36 million/yr, Bogaerts at $25.5…Soto will be at $40 or more per year.
Let’s see how Soto plays in 2023
Soto is one of the best players in the league and is only turning 24 next year. He will be fine.
Soto turned 24 2 months ago
My mistake…he will only be 24 in this coming season.
That’s part of my question. Machado is better than Bogaerts by a fair margin. He might be looking for $350M/10. Then Soto at $40M, maybe more. And their 2024 rotation will be Musgrove and maybe Martinez.
What Padre fan, growing up, would ever have imagined the Padres with a $300M payroll?
Honestly, there’s no chance Soto goes for $40 MM, maybe 45? 50 even (unless his slump continues).. Manny will likely demand more than than 35 MM per year..
Manny is opting out next year and Soto is going to free agency and probably not resigned, i think this is why Xander is being signed now because they know they will most likely lose both of them in the next few years.
Machado can opt out next year
Can and likely will, but is not a certainty.
Tatis has an AAV around $27m for the length of his contract. $52m total for both Bogaerts & Tatis!
Insane in the membrane.
Came here for the “overpay” comments. LOL. He’s ours!
MLBTR’s predicted Xander Bogaerts’ contract: Seven years, $189MM.
They were way off
MLBTR contract predictions are not gospel.
The Athletic predicted 7 years, $196M. Everyone thinks this was an overpay lol
Everyone thinks this was an overpay lol
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Except for the Bloom haters.
JoeBrady – You are caught up in a side issue about Bloom haters.
Guessing it’s an overpay is like tossing a coin to see if it will be tails because you feel strongly it will be tails.
The $25MM cost for a top 5 SS age 30 doesn’t sound unreasonable to most people whether they like Bloom or not.
Paying him 11 years ensures his retirement into the HOF as a Padre not a Red Sox. If his skills suddenly drop-off late in the contract it still comes back to the entire NET PRESENT VALUE of the contract. Salaries will continue to grow at a rate of at least 7% annually so his $25MM paid in 2032 is equivalent to $12.5MM in 2022 dollars. If he’s out of baseball it’s a bad deal but if he’s still providing an OPS+ that is league average the deal is a steal for the money and it gives Bogaerts security while he pursues his dream of making the Hall of Fame.
Fangraphs went 7 years, $200M. They were the closes
The market just experienced a reset, which is why many of the predictions are off. They’ll adjust next year. Will Ohtani be the first $50MM AAV player next year? Soto to follow the year after?
Not necessarily. Seager got 10 years, $325M last year so these deals are right in line. There are just more desperate teams this year.
I’m not sure it’s a reset, but a steady trend. Ohtani and Manny $50 MM, Soto also. Bogaerts at $25 MM is going to look cheap in 5 years.
Love a good panic buy.
Also, holy bottomless comment section…
Ha Seong Kim is a better shortstop than Bogaerts.
defensively yes
How close are the Padres to the Cohen Tax Level? I heard yesterday the Mets were already at that 90% Tax level…
They are at $254 million as of today.
Good luck Xander. You played great for us. And not only a great player, but a joy to have you represent us.
That said, if there was one thing I learned in the George Steinbrenner era, never try to outbid George for a player. It’ll almost automatically be an overpayment. You can now add Cohen & Preller to that list.
I had Bogaerts at $196M/7. Preller’s deal is ~45% higher. I’d never go there.
If the Braves got Ha Seong Kim it would be more than ok if Dansby is going elsewhere.
@McGriff Okay, but just know that he can’t hit decent a fast ball thrown from a RH pitcher.
What 5 WAR player would the Braves bee giving up to get Kim?
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So many terrible contracts were given out this week. So much for owners having learned their lesson
Chemo850;
Not all owners…..
Not even a majority of owners.
“Play it again, Sam..”
Like many message posters here, I have no issue with Xander Bogarts. He is a very good player, but he is not a great player. He capitalized on this SS market although he does not have the future potential WAR as Turner or Correa (but better than Swanson). Good for him.
Well, at least the NL has a DH spot now so they can sign these guys into their 40s. Expensive DH, though.
So many teams were just stepping on their richards by not going all out to sign premier FAs over the last few seasons. Top end of the market has skyrocketed.
so many of you are missing what’s going on here
This isn’t 20 or 30 years ago when a player looking for the big contract had to go to one of the top tier teams in NY or LA or Boston to get the money. Then such teams controlled the narrative and the years. Every 3/4/5 years needing to negotiate for their pay and if they were in their 30’s hoping to latch on.
At some point, agents got smart and came up with a plan to broaden their players’ opportunities.
Where smaller market teams couldn’t compete dollar for dollar, they could offer security in years, and boom here we are.
Teams like Padres and Rangers are handing out years like candy, it’s the only way they have a chance to lure players and why not, it is working, and the players are getting lifetime security.
Trea Turner will never have to worry about a contract again, Judge will never have to worry about a contract again, Xander will never have to worry about a contract again.
Such peace of mind is priceless to players these days and unless the “big” market teams keep up they wont be keeping their stud players, and this just doesn’t apply to Xander or Judge but any prospect coming up through the system who may become a star.
Only one way for big market teams to counter this treand and that is no more lowballing extensions with their young potential stars. Lock them up when you can.
Was a Bogaerts fan, am not really much of a Bloom fan. But if that was what it takes to keep him in Boston, Dueces buddy. Let’s sign Swanson for 7 now.
Or just roll with Trevor Story for now and wait for Marcelo Mayer’s arrival in 1.5-2 years.
Mayer is FAR from a lock for anything.
He hasn’t even proven he can hit AA level pitching!!!!!
Jbj tore up aaa pitching and could hit to save his life in mlb. And Mayer hasn’t even shown he can do that!!!
All these people, tearing up the mlb club, shoving a homegrown star out the door praising a kid WHO HAS PROVEN NOTHING!!!
I don’t know. Is anyone convinced the Padres spent enough money to succeed? The line up looks crazy good.
The lineup, as of today, includes Kim’s .708 at 2nd, Cronenworth’s .722 at 1st, Nola’s .649 at catcher, and no DH that I am aware of.
In terms of HRs:
Machado 32
Soto 27
Tatis ???
Cron 17
Grish 17
Bogaerts 15
Kim 11
Nola 4
They’ll score, but that’s not a juggernaut.
@ Brady. Definitely not a power juggernaut, and bottom of lineup is weak as it stands. Though the team is trying to sign 1B and DH with power before start of season – Crone doesn’t have a 1B bat, and is too good a 2B to move to 1B permanently. Someone might also get traded…. But they need SP more than anything.
✎ Edit –
You should be looking at OPS+ and WAR, not stats that are not park adjusted and definitely not counting stats.
OPS+
Machado – 159
Soto – 149
Bogaerts – 131
Tatis – 160 (career)
Cronenworth – 111
Grisham – 83
Kim – 107
Nola – 91
No team in baseball is better offensively overall as of today.
If you look at WAR it is even better. Every position above league average WAR. 6 players above 4 WAR. That is considered All Star level play.
Grisham was among the very best defensively in CF so even with his bad offense he still put up an above average 2.6 WAR. Kim was so outstanding defensively that even with offensive production that was only slightly above average he put up a 5.1 WAR.
@ Pads Fan. To be fair to Joe Brady, many teams are likely to be better offensively in terms of runs scored and slug, so his point about not being a jug is accurate as things stand. The Pads offense wasn’t great last year, lacking speed and power. Tatis and Bogaerts will help though. Especially Tatis. But as Preller said today, they are actively looking for offensive help at the DH and 1B positions.
More importantly, baseball is 75% pitching and the Pads need 2 more SP, at least one who is #2/3 level.
Xander has been more consistent and healthy than Correa over the years, and I think this is the ballpark of where Correa’s contract will land, so it doesn’t surprise me that much. And like many of you said, this market is an extreme player’s market so far, so I’m done being surprised at these deals at this point.
Can’t begin to tell you how ticked off my wife is. All morning she has been randomly yelling “f$@#@% you, Bloom. F%#$#@ you!”
That is pretty funny. She sounds like a diehard Red Sox fan. Are you a Red Sox fan, too?
I wonder how many other Red Sox fans are doing that today as well?
We knew this would happen. Only way it wouldn’t is if bloom got a deserving end. Doesn’t make you happy when it does, just not surprised
Just read in the Globe that Bloom and Henry only offered Bogaerts 6 years and $160 million. About the same AAV that the Padres gave him for 11 years.
About the same AAV that the Padres gave him for 11 years.
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Interesting way of putting it. In other words, the RS and Padres offers were identical, except that the Padres are going to be paying him for his 35-40 age seasons.
Ok.
Still think we should move Soto to 1B/DH/OF sometimes and bring back Profar
Profar, Grisham/Azocar, Tatis JR would make an extremely good defensive OF.
Machado, Bogaerts, Cronenworth, Soto with Kim as super utility – get Kim to try out CF maybe – sign a LH super utility guy maybe Adam Frazier.
DH Id bring in Justin Turner as only the DH. Or Trey Mancini.
All thats really left is get some SP depth behind Darvish, Snell, Musgrove
Id bring in
1 of Kluber, Wacha, Cueto
1 of Yarbrough, Hill, Miley
Bring in some relief pitching who are looking to rebuild value
Kimbrel, Chapman, Bradley,
A rhetorical question: If Boras was not his agent, would he have signed with the Red Sox?
No, unless bloom was not the gm.
The Halos ought to now trade Fletcher, Walsh,Stassi and Addel for Tatis,Cronenworth,Ha-Seong Kim and a reliever. Kim would be a great fit for the Angels. I love a Tendon to Rengifo-to-kim-to Cronenworth infield.
Projected Angels Lineup:
1. Fernando Tatis,SS
2. Mike Trout, CF
3. Ohtani, DH
4. Rendon, 3B
5. Renfro,RF
6. Ward, LF
7. Rengifo, 2B
8. Cronenworth/Urshela, 1B
9. O’Hoppe/Christian Vasquez, C
You have the luxury of using Kim, Rengifo, Cronenworth and Urshela to use for days-off, injuries and days off to keep the team healthy and ready for the postseason.
You could through in Disneyland California Adventure, the North Woods Inn off of Valley View and a Rally Monkey…and that deal is still never gonna happen!
Tatis could be suspended til 2030 and they still wouldn’t take that trade
What have you been smoking? There’s NO WAY that Convo even happens? Awful trade offer.
Yet another boneheaded move by a GM, giving a contract with a full no trade clause. It doesn’t matter who the player is, an untradable player has the team completely beholden to them. Why give any player that kind of power to be able to continually destroy the franchise long after their prime?
How many players with an NTC have prevented the team from trading them permanently? Can you name any?
You’re only kidding yourself. Players have blocked plenty of trades with NTC’s over the years.
So you are saying that you cannot name one over the years that used their NTC to block being traded permanently and stayed with the team through their entire contract, but there are plenty?
Let’s make it easier. What players are still with their original team today after blocking a trade with their NTC. Just one example will do.
As a Padres fan, I looove all the hate! Yes, it feels good to be trashed talked…for years the pad’s were never talked about because they were a small market team with a few good players here and there. Tony, Hoff, Jones, Peavy, McGriff, Caminiti, just to name a few.
Now they have one of the deadliest line ups in all of baseball and people hate ‘em cause they ain’t ‘em! Lol!
We have the most legit park in the MLB after years of having to deal with the Murph. Don’t get me wrong, amazing memories there but that place was a dump! So bring your hate because every time you do you have to think of us, your San Diego Padres!
Raise your hand if you got a bad feeling as I did when I heard , Yoshi was signed… no way in Haiti were they shelling out 200 million for Xander after that…. So let’s recap… Mookie home grown… gone… Xander home grown.. gone….Devers…next???…. The days of Petey and Youk signing team friendly extensions are over guys…. Pathetic….
I say good for Boggie and Orsillo.
Bloom needs to make a legit offer to Devers or find a team to trade him too.
After looking at Trevor Story’s numbers as a SS in Colorado–I’m impressed-he and Boggie are comparable defenders.
With 5 yrs. left on Story’s contract it will get the Sox to the next SS. Kiki is a good option with Story’s injury history.
Pitching is next. Find a couple that can get us to Bello and Mata 2 more years away.
Sale, Whitlock, Houck, Pivetta, Paxton. I’d like to see Wacha for 2-3 year deal.
Kim is way better defensively at SS than bogarts but now he’s stuck and second base
Kim is a better SS than Tatis and now Tatis is stuck in LF. Cronenworth may be as good of a defensive SS as Bogaerts or at least close to and he is stuck at 1B.
Web….don’t you think Tatis better suited for RF with his arm?
Soto played LF until Harper left.
Been out of the loop the last couple of days. This is crazy for the Padres. Crazy good. That batting lineup for the next 2 years is the best in baseball. That price is 4 more years than I thought he would get, but the AAV is $5 million less than I thought he would cost.
What is even crazier is the insulting 6/160 offer the Red Sox made. Turned on WEEI after lunch and the radio personalities and the fans in Boston seem downright pissed off.
So what is going to happen there after Devers leaves next offseason or in a trade before then? A mutiny? Are the Red Sox paring payroll to sell the team? Not sure WTH is going on in beantown. Any Red Sox fans that are in Boston have more of an idea of what is happening?
And they’ll still wind up not advancing to the WS
So you are saying they will be golfing come WS time like the Yankees have done every year for the past decade?
Idk what the Yankees have to do with what I said but yeah?
Maybe he is referring to your name. I think we should call you The Oracle because you know what is going to happen in the future. Can you give us the lottery numbers for the next pull, too?.
“He” is you lmfao
Surprised that people are bagging on the length of the contract. THAT’S THE NAME OF THE GAME, to reduce AAV. Of course players aren’t going to perform at the same high level in their late 30s (except maybe DHs). Once a club reaches an agreement on how much they are willing to pay, they try and spread it out over as many years as possible.
A simple concept, and it took 800 posts before someone laid it out simply.
Always good to look at home/away splits with guys who’ve spent a long time with the Red Sox. You expect a guy to hit a little better at home most of the time, but Red Sox players sometimes has some crazy splits. Check out Yaz or Jim Rice.
This will be interesting:
Home splits: .312/.375/.479 with 89 HR in 635 games.
Away splits: .271/.338/.420 with 67 HR in 629 games.
This is quite a difference. Which player are the Padres putting out $280M for? Certainly “Away Bogaerts” would be a huge disappointment.
At least he’s not like a guy who swings for the fences. Contact has always been his forte. Guys who make contact age better than guys like Judge or Olson.
He will have to be moved off the SS position, eventually. He’s athletic enough to play any of the other IF positions for many years.
You went back to the last century and picked just 2 players?
Last season the Red Sox hit .272 with a .773 OPS and 108 wRC+ and 111 OPS+.
They hit .244 with a .689 OPS and 97 wRC+ and 89 OPS+.
Previous years this century the team has similar home away splits.
Bogaerts had a 146 wRC+ and 141 OPS+ at home and a 126 wRC+ and 126 OPS+ on the road. That compares favorably with the home away splits of the rest of the Red Sox team.
Which player are the Padres putting out $280M for?
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I suspect that was part of Bloom’s thinking. He doesn’t want to pay for stats generated by Fenway. But Bogaerts will still be a good hitter.
Then Bloom is not very smart because Bogaerts would have been playing his home games in Fenway.
The Red Sox are not that dissimilar to other teams in terms of hitting better at home. MLB averaged 104 wRC+ at home and 97 at home. You hit better when you are familiar with the hitting background. You might also hit better sleeping in your own bed at night, but that is pure speculation.
What this comes down to is the Red Sox made the right choice not go anywhere close to the Padres offer because the investment is not worth the return….. and the years are just flat out silly.
The real question is what are they going to do with the money they have saved by not foolishly investing in that massive overpay. For those of you who keep blaming Bloom…. get your heads out of your behinds, it is not just Bloom it is the whole team Mgmt and ownership philosophy.
Bloom is an extension of the ownership philosophy and the one making the deals. He’s the one who’s going to get the blame (but Henry et al should be getting it as well).
The real question is what are they going to do with the money they have saved
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This is always the crux of the conversation, or should be. This goes for every team, but if you don’t get Player A for $25M, then you still have $25M to spend on player B.
829 comments and counting.
Bloom wilts again…..Please, no more of this guy!
Thoughts on the sox and padres.
Sox: I began watching baseball the year they broke the curse as a 6th or 7th grader. I called it when they came back down 3-0 on the yanks,,, just saying. They are my AL team and the Braves are my NL team based off of location. The Sox were right not to resign Xander. This type of money needs to be saved to lock up devers THIS YEAR and not let him reach FA. He is a better hitter and defender than Xander and is worth 32-37 mil per year IMO. Don’t forget that Bryan Reynolds requested a trade from the Pirates. He is a great talent in the OF and the Red Sox need OF help more than just about any team (maybe the dodgers?) I’m calling a Reynolds trade to the Sox and an extension of Devers. Both coming shortly.
Padres: Desperation anyone? Does no one want to play there? They have been the biggest offers for Judge, Turner, and now Xander. Were they just like “We HAVE to land a big name or people will be mad at us.” A better move would have been to rework Machado’s contract and sign him longer term without the options to opt out. Xander cant play SS much longer anyways. I imagine he is a backup play for 3B if Machado walks… but why not just give that extra money to Machado and make him stay..? Or Soto….? Here’s a thought- Padres trade Tatis for a haul (mostly pitching) and extend Soto and Machado and their centerpieces. In two years they are in contention again.
Devers? A guy destined for DH before he turns 30 that is going to ask for 13-14 years at $465-500 million when he hits FA a few days after he turns 27?
That is a bad investment.
Bogaerts is a relatively low AAV deal that makes the Padres offense the most potent in terms of OPS+ in baseball. It also gives them 6 position players that played at an All Star level, 4+ WAR, last season. Every position has a player that was above league average in WAR last year.
Only one team can match that, The World Champion Astros. Not the Judge led Yankees. Not the Dodgers. Not the Phillies. Not the Braves or Mets.
The returning Padres pitching staff had a 3.23 ERA in 2022 and that includes Hader at 7.23 he produced for the Padres, not his 5.22 season ERA or his 2.71 career ERA. It also doesn’t include Pomeranz, since he didn’t pitch in 2022. I put in Reiss Knehr instead, since he had the most IP of the guys called up from AAA last season.
What the Padres did was make sure their team would be dominant across the board. Preller said he is not done upgrading the team as he wants to add a 1B/DH and a back of the rotation starter.
As a RS fan, i agree 100%. Betts was a great player. Bogaerts was a very good player, who was slightly old.
But I don’t get the love for Devers. His career bWAR/650 PAs is only 3.3. Even if you go by his last four seasons, his bWAR/650 is still only 4.1. That’s very good. But someone like Judge has a 7.6 for his career. Turner has a 5.2. There are a pretty decent amount of guys that are better than Devers.
I would trade Devers and go with J Turner.
JoeBrady – Pure wisdom on this comment. Nice!!
Could it be more obvious? they did not want to sign this man.
Have to avoid any chowda made in New England for a while, it will be salty with tears.
I really don’t see the big deal on 11 yrs.. he just turned 30 Oct 1st so 11 takes him to age 40.. there is a universal DH in play now and Padres signed Xander because of his stick not necessarily his position or Defense… I see X playing SS 2 or 3 seasons and then moving to 1B or 2B for a while before DHing last 3 seasons or so.. Padres #1 spec Merrill will be the SS in 2025 or so… Padres paid X for 7yrs really that falls in line with the “transition” from a very veteran SP rotation to that of Lesko/Snelling/Muzr/Lizarraga/Wolf/Williams etc… somewhere between 2026 and 2028
11 years is such a long time and he is such a pure hitter. I wonder if he can get to 3,000? He needs 1,590 hits to get there. He needs to basically average 144-145 hits per year over the course of the contract. It’s doable, especially if he really hits the ground running.
Wow, this is not a new trend. No salary cap restrictions and lock them down for their entire career, at ANY cost. MLB WILL be changing some rules because this type of money and years will put small market teams out of business. EVERY Team is not just buying championships!!! If your team is not, why even watch?! The MLB WILL have a salary cap by 2030. Ohtani will get $500M for 10 years and his first son will get a billion for life. LOL
San Diego is one of the smallest markets in all sports and yet they somehow are able to spend. Pittsburgh and Cleveland are actually larger markets lol. Don’t be mad bc this owner isn’t pocketing his profits, you should be commending the Padres.
Yanks – Great point. It’s not the size of the market it’s the size of the ownership bank account. If Mark Cuban bought the Kansas City Royals or Milwaukee Brewers they too could compete with the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets and Padres. The difference is NY and LA simply lower their astronomical profits with huge contracts. SD will exist as a team losing a small amount of a billionaire’s wealth.
There is no way a cap is ever instituted.
Pulledabloom stop posting you freakin ba$tard!!!
The upcoming season will be another wait til next year for Red Sox fans. They will be lucky to be a 500 team. They do spend money, but do so in such a way they almost always look bad. I guess certain markets you can never rebuild in ( ie Boston ,NY), but that is what it feels like. A last place team that has to pay the luxury tax is pathetic. I’m glad that I don’t follow it as much as years past
Lol.
Flwed logic.
You start with a made up price per….
Then say…oh. ….this contract has surplus value……
When the number/price you started with is completely made up?
Lol….
Padres picking him up still bugs me. He’s a Boston boy and should be traded back to them for compensation, of course.